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We must view their words as the commandments of the Lord - e.g., 1Co 14:37 3. Amen. ( Log Out /  We are not our own lords. Nicodemus was thinking of gynecology, but Jesus was talking about eternal life, the gift of life imparted, which physical birth symbolizes. I have discovered that this is frequently true of those who drop out of church: they are bothered when difficult doctrines are taught. You have drawn us and compelled us. This passage from the sixth chapter of John's gospel is very re… There may be some among us here who want to stay with Jesus for their own purposes. God is always sending people home. 71(He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.). It was the will of the Father that one among the apostolic band should betray him. 'To whom shall we go?' This is the terror that I referred to. Refrain Lord, to whom shall we go? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? You will not want to be bothered with studying and searching and understanding. But there is another group mentioned here who cannot go away at all. As a pastor myself, I’m quite glad those days are behind us. Only Jesus. Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord to whom shall we go?Thou hast words of eternal life.”—John 6:67. I had heard that kind of thing before, so I said to him, "That's a good idea. I don't want to be bothered with them." So God says, Walk by the light of your fire,     and by the brands which you have kindled! Our Lord also gave Judas the trusted position of treasurer within the apostolic band. Many people say, "I don't understand the Trinity. (Isaiah 50:11a RSV). Yes. These people were hung up on symbols. Website © 2020 by Ray Stedman Ministries. John 6:68, NIV: "Simon Peter answered him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? You will rationalize it. On one occasion he sent the twelve out before him into the cities of Galilee and gave them power to cast out devils, to heal the sick, and power even to raise the dead. That kind of thing, of course, is far removed from what the Bible teaches. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. For permission to use this content, please review We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.” John 6: 68-69 ( Log Out /  You fit the prophecies; you fulfill the predictions. 60On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. 66From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. Challenge each other. Thirdly, John tells us Judas is branded forever as the traitor above all others. And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." She said to him, "Give me this water so I don't have to come here anymore to draw," (John 4:10-15). I said, "I know it. Peter tells the truth: ""Lord, to whom shall we go? I think you're right. This is a frequent phenomenon in our day also. God had taught him, and the purpose of his teaching was that he "might learn to speak a word to him that is weary" (Isaiah 50:4b), that he might learn how to talk to the broken, the hurting, the disappointed and the discouraged in life. They had gone as far as they would go. At the Mt. Judas stayed with the group; he lived with them, ate and slept with them, and yet was not one of them. Secondly, Jesus gave power to Judas. (Isaiah 50:11b RSV). We have investigated the alternatives. Qanon is becoming an “alternative religion”, says this Religion News Service article. There are many such prayers prayed today, I am afraid. Your words, Lord, are the most remarkable words we have ever heard. in Religion; and from Trinity Lutheran Seminary with his M.Div. Give me this day, in addition to my daily bread, The butter, meats, and sweetmeats That are my necessary diet. However you can get to him. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available here. "You will lie down in torment" -- frustrated in your ambitions and angry that you cannot make things fit together, tormented and tortured because you cannot make life work. But our Lord reads hearts. With the successful attacks against what were always presumed to be legitimate sources of authority and meaning leveling the playing field, so to speak, everyone looks like (and sometimes believes themselves to be) an expert. Finally, there is one who has never really come but he will not leave and that is the problem. Scripture quotations from the World English Bible. Here is a wonderful statement of what these disciples were seeing in Jesus: In Christ we have a love that can never be fathomed; a life that can never die; a righteousness that can never be tarnished; a peace that can never be understood; a rest that can never be disturbed; a joy that can never be diminished; a hope that can never be disappointed; a glory that can never be clouded; a light that can never be darkened; a happiness that can never be interrupted; a strength that can never be enfeebled; a purity that can never be defiled; a beauty that can never be marred; a wisdom that can never be baffled; and resources that can never be exhausted. “And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God” (John 6:68–69). This is the tragedy that befalls many. That is the word he chose: a "devil" -- always resistant, always opposed, always out for himself, never in line with what Jesus wanted. This begs the question: for Christians, to whom do we look for authority? Ideally, a pastor or deacon should be able to preach that armed threats against dams, attorneys, journalists, cement plants, capital buildings, and children, and preventing firefighters from properly fighting wildfires, are sin. Or the many deeds I leave undone. Peter was saying that there was no one else. Instead, that preacher will be accused of being “too political” because the liberating message of the Gospel is at odds with the worldview that espouses such actions as legitimate (yes, all of those are Qanon actions). The twelve came back (Judas was one of them), reporting that they had done all these things. “Master, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. “And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God” ( John 6:68–69 ). This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Maybe not surprising, but certainly disturbing. I didn’t give it much thought. He does not hold anybody against his will. Jesus corrects that, saying, "No, Peter, that is wrong. “Lord, to whom shall we go? Those who continue always feel this way about Jesus. Michael Joncas On Eagle's Wings ℗ 1979 Published by OCP. You can never give him up. On the other hand, it does make things a bit more complicated. Some of you have started well, but you will drop out. Amen. Who can you go to? You are the ones who will betray Jesus! But how? Our Lord once put it this way, "To him that has shall more be given, but to him that has not, even that which he has shall be taken away," (Mark 4:25, Luke 19:26). “Lord, to whom shall we go?” (John 6:68) Jesus is too much for some people. They have seen too much, they have heard too much; they have realized who he is. This passage from the sixth chapter of John's gospel is very revealing as to why this phenomenon occurs. Jesus said to the twelve, "Will you also go away?" Subject to permissions policy, all rights reserved. At any rate twenty-two thousand of them went home. Notice that he says, "We." Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Do not ever forget that: God can give power to do miracles even to those who are not his, if he so chooses. [John adds] He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was to betray him. Send me!” – Isaiah 6:8 They stand as four simple syllables, Here I am, Lord. For you alone have words of eternal life.1. "Secondly, Lord, we have seen your character." Learn how your comment data is processed. It means to simply believe what God has said concerning His Son, and receive Him as your personal Savior. (John 6:67-69 RSV). Of all the traitorous names of history, Benedict Arnold, Quisling, etc., Judas heads the list. What you say to us has met our deepest need, has delivered us from our sins and freed us from our fears. How can God be one God and yet be three Persons?" But Jesus went on to make clear to her that he was talking about the gift of life. I have every reason to believe that at least some of those who drew back returned again, and that people who forsake the Christian cause because they are not willing to explore deeply into the mysteries of the truth, or they resist obeying what they already know, are not necessarily lost. It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. He never was. Verse 2 O Lord, you feed us with the finest of wheat, our pledge of eternal life. This is very relevant for some of you. I want to share with you a prayer, written by a friend of mine, to express the kind of feelings that people like that have. Message transcript and recording © 1984 by Ray Stedman Ministries, owner of sole copyright by assignment from the author. We have come to believe that you are the Holy One of God.”. There are your words. Many people start out the Christian life and seem to do very well for awhile, but then they drop out of sight and nobody seems to know what happened to them. And now the Qanon conspiracy, which has been growing for almost three years, is reaching that level. Here in this congregation there are probably representatives of these three groups. Thus when he speaks here of "eating flesh" and "drinking blood," he is not talking about cannibalism, but about inner food, that which you live on, the philosophy of life that is real and meaningful. Keep me today from anything that may tax my faith. They know that despite the many times they do not understand what is happening to them yet they cannot leave. Read that way it sounds as though Jesus means, "Are you offended by what I said about eating flesh and drinking blood? The centurion like so many since, so many still, know that the power is in God. You have the words of eternal life," John 6:68, KJV: "Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Are you repulsed by that? Amen. Their hearts were not satisfied. Hebrews 11:6 says, "He who comes to God must believe that he is and that he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him." Psalm 73:25 Whom have I in heaven but thee? This is the kind of reckoning we have that comes at rare and memorable moments in life, when we're faced with a depth of struggle and suddenly have a glimmer of truth -- how we really feel about something or someone, what the truth is for us. Unfortunately, it is the translation that makes it sound that way. This is the problem that Jesus is talking about here: "You do not allow yourself to be drawn along of the Father into more and more truth until you come to the fullness of life." Your words, O Lord, are … That is the heart that he is looking for. Remember that earlier he had spoken of being drawn of the Father, which he interprets as being "taught of God." In today’s Gospel, we see Jesus’ followers reacting to his shocking teaching about eating his flesh and drinking his blood by saying, “This is a hard saying; who can accept it?” To understand Jesus’ meaning, we must understand that he’s not using symbolic or metaphorical language. You have the words of eternal life. Events rush on: the world travails: Can screaming headlines prove Thy hand's at work This very moment, bringing near That fateful cry, "Behold, He comes?". thou hast the words of eternal life." Who can accept it? You have the words of eternal life. John 6:68 New International Version (NIV). After this many of his disciples draw back and no longer went about with him. So Jesus asked the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away? There was a pause on the line, and then he said to me, "You know I can't do that." I want to say that is not necessarily a totally hopeless situation. Born and raised in Chicago, IL, he graduated from Capital University with a B.A. We are not the Living Word, the words of eternal life. You're not easy to live with. 68Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? Hang it up." And who will go for us?” And I said, “Here am I. If you miss them, if you follow the distortions of the world and think you have adequate wisdom of your own to work out the difficulties of life, you will be so far removed from reality, you will be dealing with such fantasies, such false concepts, that when you lie down at night you will be unable to sleep. Out of the hundreds who were following him he prayed to select, by the Father's wisdom, the ones who would be closest to him, the ones whom he would give himself to, to train and develop for the work which would reach around the world and through the ages. Notice the marks of these who drop out from the Christian cause: First, it is clear that they take offense at difficult truth: "Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, 'This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?' You can start right now to obey what he tells you to do. When Jesus talked about flesh and blood they took him literally -- they imagined he was advocating a kind of cannibalistic practice -- but he was actually saying to them, "No, if you would continue to the end and saw me ascending into the heavens, thus removing my body from the earth, you would understand that I am not talking about flesh and bones, meat and blood, but rather I am talking about what those things symbolize, that 'it is the spirit that gives life, and the flesh is of no avail.' By that he means the twelve: "We have believed, and we have come to know that you are the Holy One of God." The hardest part may be recognizing that we (including us pastors and deacons) do not have ultimate authority over ourselves. We can be inspired by those of strong faith, reassured by examples of belief in times of difficulty. Chorus Lord, to whom shall we go? and there is none upon earth that I … Jesus says in verse 67, “Do you want to go away as well?” And Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go?” In that simple question, Peter is saying, We’ve considered it. They immediately thought he was talking about the beautiful building that stood on the top of Mt. Lord, we have eclipsed the centuries and joined that multitude in the synagogue in Capernaum and heard these wonderful words from your lips. This sometimes happens. “Lord, to whom shall we go? God is not interested in mere numbers -- he proves that over and over. I have found this to be true of real Christians. It is evident from that last verse that a period of time was involved here; over the course of several weeks many of the disciples drew back. The Lord asks, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?”—He wants willing volunteers in His service—and a grateful and enthusiastic Isaiah doesn’t hesitate in taking the opportunity: “Here am I; send me.” And for the rest of his life, Isaiah serves the God who had forgiven and saved him. Thus we read, "After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him." When people obey the truth they see, then they will be taught more truth, but Scripture warns that if they resist the truth, then they lose the capacity to see and to hear anymore. Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? Many people start out the Christian life and seem to do very well for awhile, but then they drop out of sight and nobody seems to know what happened to them. Forgive me, in advance, if I embarrass Thee By failing to identify myself as one Who seeks to honor Thee in all my ways. If we read it that way, however, we have not understood at all what Jesus is saying. Peter then asks a question and makes a statement that is the basis for of this message. We want to make our own choices. At one time, the word of the pastor was akin to the Word of God themself. Following ourselves only leads us in a circle, or a spiral toward death. Let’s try to find an answer to the question Peter asked for it is of great importance we … That flies right in the face of the hyper-individualism that more and more undergirds our culture. I can't get back into my mother's womb," (John 3:3-4). Mostly gone (and thank God) are the days when the old white male pastor wielded unilateral authority in the church, dictating everything from the budget to the art decorating the sanctuary to the congregation’s involvement in the neighborhood to the correct interpretation of scripture to membership in the community to what color the carpet should be. That is what Jesus is saying: "My words are spirit and life." Here is the first thinning of the ranks in our Lord's ministry. You have the words of eternal life. You have the words of eternal life. Moriah. You have found too much, you have learned too much of life. It is a prayer, but it is a self-centered prayer, the kind that would be prayed by a contemporary Judas: O thou pleasant, comfortable, kindly, good-natured God, With a reasonable degree of certainty To another ordinary day. In many cases all they get when they go is the sacraments, the symbols -- baptism, mass, the Lord's supper, some ritual, some ceremony. 2. in Music and a B.A. Some churches, looking for quantity rather than quality, will do almost anything to increase their attendance. These who drew back were unwilling to seek further. These words can turn us on and set us afire. It is not always religious truth, it is any kind of truth, for all truth is from God. Notice how Peter puts it: "We have believed, and have come to know." For Jesus knew from the first who those were that did not believe, and who it was that should betray him. Many churches are even now setting goals for growth in 1984, usually in specific terms of percentage of increase, or even an arbitrary number, arrived at out of the blue, that they are aiming to achieve. But John hastens to explain that Jesus was speaking of the temple of his body, which was symbolized by the building. Hermon, where Peter confessed that Jesus was the Christ. 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Through mystic, ecstatic revelation? If you become bothered by difficult doctrines, sooner or later you will almost certainly drop out of the Christian cause. thou hast the words of eternal life. They say, "They are too hard to understand. Simon Peter answered Him, ‘Lord, to whom shall we go? You will not want to follow truth when once you see it. 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Lord, make us those who love you, who cluster around you, who cling to your words, who are willing to search them out and understand them and obey them and believe that they are the words that give life. This is what Peter is saying to Jesus. But there are some of you that do not believe." When Jesus said to them, "Will you go away also?" I testify to you that Joseph Smith saw the Father and the Son. Some conspiracy theories occasionally rise to a dangerous level of acceptance: Pizzagate, anti-vaccination, anti-Semitism, COVID-19 theories, etc. Following ourselves only leads us in a circle, or a spiral toward death. I blow it all the time. Through reading the Bible alone? Dr. Waltke was pointing out that the Messiah said that God had given him "the tongue of the learned," (Isaiah 50:4a KJV). (John 6:70-71 RSV). it is clear that he would have let them go if they had wanted to. You offend people whom we think are important. RayStedman.org/permissions. Everybody wanted to see him make a fool of himself that way, so they scrounged the neighborhood and brought in every and any warm body they could find. Then there are those who cannot leave, no matter what happens. You can't quit. An ELCA Pastor's reflections on life and the church, Because of this [teaching] many of [Jesus’s] disciples turned back and no longer went about with him. It has happened before. you have the words of eternal life. Of course you can't. You have the words of eternal life." Who else can measure up to that? From discomfort, from unnecessary strain, from unusual problems, Especially those involving sickness or death, Or the necessity of extending financial aid to relatives or friends, Dear Lord, deliver me. And because the authority of the preacher to name sin for what it is has eroded, the Gospel message is deemed less true and less important than the conspiracy. (There were a lot of marriages in Israel that year apparently.) Then what if you were to see the Son of man ascending where he was before? Think critically with each other. Peter is saying, "We have watched you, and we have come to see that there is nothing wrong in you. to have notifications of new posts sent directly to your inbox! They explain us and they explain life to us. All rights reserved. 65He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him.". Speaking through the prophet, God contrasts the word that the Messiah will speak with the words that men speak to each other: Behold, all you who kindle a fire,     who set brands alight! We pray surely that it may not be the latter. We have come to that point in John's gospel where many of Jesus' disciples drew back and no longer followed him. Faith is a personal response to a continuing invitation to live in an intimate relationship with Christ, answering the question of the human heart “to whom shall we go.” It is a relationship of joy, of life-meaning, of strength, and of consolation, and it is also a relationship of the sometimes challenging moral imperatives entailed in a life of discipleship. God's teaching is always to open our eyes to truth. We do not want to be a Judas, Lord, who lives only for himself under the guise of Christian faith. 69We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God. You cannot quit. Yet one of you is a devil!" Peter was not asking Jesus to name someone else for the disciples to follow. I have often said that the best definition of a Christian is 'someone who cannot quit.' They satisfy us. This is a turning point in our Lord's ministry, where he confronts the twelve with the question, \"Will you also go away?\" This is a frequent phenomenon in our day also. I can't continue to be a Christian. Tune Title: TO WHOM SHALL WE GO Meter: 7.9 Scripture: John 6:68; John 6:47; John 6:51; John 8:51; John 11:25-27 Date: 2013 Subject: Jesus Christ | Lamb; Elements of Worship | Hearing the Word "What kind of a God do we have who puts us through this kind of a testing?" He’s speaking words of “Spirit and life” which bring into being precisely what they signal. Ten thousand remained, and Gideon thought that was barely enough, but God said, "It's still too many." Where can you find answers and resources such as you have drawn on?" To whom shall we go? ", 70Then Jesus replied, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? That is what Jesus fulfilled when he came: He had learned how to speak to the weary, and his words give life. We don’t get a choice in this — we belong to God alone. 2 Th 2:15; 3:14; Jude 3 4. Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? The translators have inserted these words, "Then what if," but in the original Greek it does not really say that -- there is no "what" at all. But there are some of you who will never leave. thou hast the words of eternal life. The words of Jesus are truth about life. In an age where most sources of expert authority–teachers, doctors, scientists, lawyers, religious leaders–are increasingly viewed as anywhere from unreliable to outright evil, figuring out who to trust can be a difficult choice. 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